Who's the idiot that decided ships need to be BALANCED across each of the races !!!!

Woo!
Brutix: hrm... I'm torn here. On one hand I'm not a fan of the 7.5% active tank bonus because of the current state of active armour repping... HOWEVER there is a lot of hinting from fairly credible sources that active armour tanking might be on the books pretty damn soon.

Why not just leave the tier 2 battlecruisers as they are now, and just apply the changes to tier 1's? The tier 1's look interesting, but tier 2 looks useless..

Two having it might be a bad idea, but it's not "obsolete" as it stands now, at least for PvE, and likely will be less so when they get done with whatever mojo they're putting on armor tanking to bring it back to relevance. It makes a certain amount of sense for one "armor" race to be resist heavy and the other to be rep heavy, such that one favors buffer tanking and the other active tanking. If they come up with something ASB-like for armor tanking, rep bonused ships could easily turn into the next FOTM.

On top of that, resistance is cap-independent.
But I'd rather say - nerf resistance bosuses to 3.75% all across the board (yay! supercaps as well). It would prevent power creep. It's also indirect nerf of logi ships, which are sometimes considered "almost overpowered".

Edit: the core of the problem is the relation between buffer and local reps. Attacking resistance bonuses isn't fixing the core of the problem, at best this is unhelpful, and at worse, actually hurting balance between hulls more than it already is.

thing CCP Fozzie could do right now is to give the Faction Plates the same HP bonuses that the T2 plates got in addition to the lower mass ( right now faction plates are as unused as the T2 plates were 6 months ago ) to justify Faction plateshigher costs.

Command Ships? lol... If you're looking for a popular, potent and cheap replacement, CS class is hardly the right thing, dude

Besides, everyone knows current battlecruisers are way too good, so some kind of fix will be of a great benefit for the entire EVE.

Attacking the resistance buff won't cause people to start putting reps on ships with no defense bonus at all. They'll still go for buffer. People rarely even put reppers on the ships that have an active rep bonus, only doing so in special select circumstances. They still go for buffer. How does nerfing the resist bonus on a prophecy fix the gallente issue? It doesn't. The core of the problem is how bad reppers are. Not how good the 5% resist bonus is.

Now, if you buff reppers, that would make the resist bonus that much better, I'll admit. And you can adjust things after that. But the balance between armor and shield is already poor, and nerfing armor resist bonuses is not helping anything.

Not positive if this has been mentioned before, but all of the BCs having the same cap recharge rate, regardless of whether or not they need it doesn't seem right. This blurs the lines between the races even more than they already are. Making all of the races the same but with different colored attacks, are we? I guess that's one way to "balance" things...

Standartized cap recharge rates are already implemented for frigates, destroyers and cruisers due to tiercide.

I dont remember much complanes back then when it was first used for attack frigates. It was obvious from the beginning that same pattern will be used for other shiptypes and sizes as well. It is not the tendention that might rise but already a direction CCP follows.



Where was you with your "not making sense" when it already happened half a year ago?

This. Drop rep bonus on Brutix for tracking?

ASB was implemented poorly being overpowered on some ships by using 2 oversized ones and useless with intended module size. No such thing for amor though.

Just what the harbinger needed, more damage and less hitpoints and even speed...It isn't like it already it the first (non-tier3) primary in every BC gang....oh wait, it is.

Yes but to use that versatility they must give up a large portion of there DPS

Why not? Is it appropriate to bring this up in the BC rebalancing feedback? As for "this is how it's more or less been for a very very long time": Ishtar - 15 slots, Demios - 15 slots

Inbeepingdeed! I had expected the Drake to get a small but noticable nerf, which would make the Nighthawk look better in comparison.

In the case of the Brutix and Myrmidon. We need to figure out which ship should drop the Active Armour bonus.

The Brutix would benefit from either a Tacking, Falloff or MWD Cap use bonus.

The Myrmidon would benefit from either a Drone control range or a Drone MWD speed bonus.

Vexor has always been the best cruiser, and you forgot:

Talos, far above the other tier 3s
Incursus aka the new Rifter
Imicus, the frigate after which all the other T1 scanning frigs were modelled
Proteus, the only PVP T3
Best assault frigs
Only working HAC
Best supers
Only EWAR that can win a Falcon

So is it really too much to ask that we also get the best combat BCs?

This is Gallente Online and you just have to adapt.

@ Greenlike ish

Ok, so you want to make the Myrm like current Brutix, and Brutix an improved Myrm but without drones. I don't really get why, but we'll see what Fozzie thinks.

5% resist bonus is still not better in active tanking than 7.5% to rep amount, but yes, the other points are true.

I agree that the proper time needs to be taken in rebalancing the BC's. After all you guys took a couple of months to make the changes to the cruiser and smaller hulls; so I think equal time should be given here. Also from what I read the other day all the BC's are supposed to have a total of 17 slots and ulness my math is wrong both the Myrmidon and Prophecy have 16 which puts them at a disadvantege to the other ships from the loss of a high, mid, or low slot.

Anothjer possible change for the myrmidon if you want to keep it at only 5 turret slots is to give it a turret dmg bomus and maybe a resits bonus instead of the rep bonus if that was to also go away.

I definately agree that either more time needs to be dedicated to this study or some testing needs to be done on the ttest server to find the best balance formula for the upcoming changes.

So far not a huge fan of BC changes and its definitely made me wary of what they might do to the Command Ships...braces for impact

Cane is fine and first of all, real men arty fit their canes !

10%/lvl for harbinger -1gun its a dps boost.
-1 guns from myrmi and same bonuses as before it's a nerf.

This is the balance ????
WTF ? All CCP developer lost his brain ? Another drone boat nerf. Bravo.

Could someone PLEASE explain to me why the harbinger is getting hit? It's already lackluster after the cruiser buffs and now it just seems like it'd be on-par with the others. There seems to be no reason why it needs to lose two slotsother than CCP hating the proliferation of the old ''good'' BCs.

There should be another Sisi update asap to correct the problem, only some of the changes were ported onto this update.

The 10% bonuses for the Brutix and Drake are actually there, but the description change didn't make it onto this Sisi build.

Tier 3s are not attack ships. They are snipers and large target bashers. There are no "attack" BCs in the current plan.

The Myrm has alot more playing room then the Brutix. The Myrm would still be popular with a :

Armor HP bonus (Occator has it so not unheard of)
Drone tracking bonus
Drone MWD bonus
Hybrid tracking
Hybrid damage

All of the above are consistent with the Gallente drone line. You can fit a 1600 plate on a Myrm and not care about downsizing the guns. Not so much with the Brutix.

Another thing i dont get is... why u dont just announce the whole reballance changes u planed till summer now... and test them till summer... so there will be much more time to test... and i guess the outcome will be more usefull...
Just making the "between"-patches more juicy is not what the community wants... im sure REALLY ballanced setups are more important than the speed of making them...

Do both gallente ships still have that ****** rep bonus?

Drop the myrm rep bonus for a turret bonus like ALL the other drone ships. TIA

Would you not think an HP bonus as a replacement to resist bonus would be a better option as it then makes gal bc's better at repping than a resist based active tank? and to a lesser extent same for cal vs minnie shield boost bonus.

Only ships that came out of this with anything beneficial is the prophecy and cyclone.
The ferox got a little but is still overshadowed by the superior drake :((

It still can't tank to save its life even with the AAR and shield tanking it has become even less viable than before especially with the talos or even a cheap thorax

Anybody else think HAMS are massively OP now?

The performance of a hull is not really measurable in PVE. For PVE pretty much no matter what you fly, you can get it working. It might not be as "fast" to do missions in as other hulls but they are all viable if you have the brains to fit it.

The question is: how does prophecy compare to other hulls in solo/small gang and larger fleet fights?

I would say that simply because of the resist bonuses + drones + unbonused weapon systems it is a versatile and usable hull, more so than the harb or myrm.

In fact in almost all the circumstances I would go with prophecy over myrm which is a shame and I am quite butthurt about it.